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agolis You either get to 1. complain about intrusive advertising on the internet, or 2. complain about the dying funding for journalism. Not both. 2 years, 2 months ago from Twitterrific
randomdeanna @agolis disagree. information is being released from market forces (no longer scarce, etc), and complainers need to be making new models 2 years, 2 months ago from UberTwitter in reply to agolis
agolis @randomdeanna it's easy for someone to say they're "making" a new model. I'd make an exception for someone had *MADE* a new model 2 years, 2 months ago from Twitterrific
randomdeanna @agolis true. Can't help but hold up @digidave for that, but still. Relying on profit-based systems is what'4 failing us 2 years, 2 months ago from UberTwitter in reply to agolis
agolis @randomdeanna Yes, @digidave can complain. But few others have made as much progress. Profit/non-profit is beside the pt, both need REVENUE. 2 years, 2 months ago from Twitterrific
randomdeanna @agolis didn't mean profit in the for-/non- sense, meant it in the capitalist sense. (Cont'd) 2 years, 2 months ago from UberTwitter in reply to agolis
randomdeanna @agolis Meaning, we have to not just be thinking of funding models but production as well. Analogies to art production might be more useful 2 years, 2 months ago from UberTwitter in reply to agolis
agolis @randomdeanna ah, totally interesting. Would love to read your full thoughts on that. Have a post I can read/link to? 2 years, 2 months ago from Twitterrific
randomdeanna @agolis Can write something up later tonight-- just been having that convo recently. Thinking news + art producers are in similar spot 2 years, 2 months ago from UberTwitter in reply to agolis
agolis @randomdeanna scary thought. The art world isn't exactly the land of stable incomes... 2 years, 2 months ago from Twitterrific

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<!-- QuoteURL styled embed start --> <blockquote class="quoteurl-block" style="margin:0;padding:0;"> <ol class="quoteurl-quote" style="background-color:#fff;color:#000;padding:.4em;border:1px solid #888;-moz-border-radius: .5em;border-radius: .5em;width:90%;max-width:700px;margin:auto;"> <li class="hentry status u-agolis" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/agolis"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/469077314/open_mouth_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="agolis"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="agolis" href="http://twitter.com/agolis">agolis</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal">You either get to 1. complain about intrusive advertising on the internet, or 2. complain about the dying funding for journalism. Not both.</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6898615855" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 16:55:20" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://twitterrific.com" rel="nofollow">Twitterrific</a></span> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-randomdeanna" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/546419887/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="Deanna Zandt"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="Deanna Zandt" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna">randomdeanna</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/agolis" >@agolis</a> disagree. information is being released from market forces (no longer scarce, etc), and complainers need to be making new models</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna/status/6898839139" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:02:45" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://ubertwitter.com" rel="nofollow">UberTwitter</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6898615855">in reply to agolis</a> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-agolis" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/agolis"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/469077314/open_mouth_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="agolis"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="agolis" href="http://twitter.com/agolis">agolis</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna" >@randomdeanna</a> it's easy for someone to say they're "making" a new model. I'd make an exception for someone had *MADE* a new model</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899040321" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:09:39" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://twitterrific.com" rel="nofollow">Twitterrific</a></span> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-randomdeanna" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/546419887/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="Deanna Zandt"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="Deanna Zandt" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna">randomdeanna</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/agolis" >@agolis</a> true. Can't help but hold up <a href="http://twitter.com/digidave" >@digidave</a> for that, but still. Relying on profit-based systems is what'4 failing us</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna/status/6899192588" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:14:59" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://ubertwitter.com" rel="nofollow">UberTwitter</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899040321">in reply to agolis</a> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-agolis" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/agolis"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/469077314/open_mouth_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="agolis"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="agolis" href="http://twitter.com/agolis">agolis</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna" >@randomdeanna</a> Yes, <a href="http://twitter.com/digidave" >@digidave</a> can complain. But few others have made as much progress. Profit/non-profit is beside the pt, both need REVENUE.</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899301063" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:18:43" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://twitterrific.com" rel="nofollow">Twitterrific</a></span> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-randomdeanna" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/546419887/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="Deanna Zandt"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="Deanna Zandt" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna">randomdeanna</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/agolis" >@agolis</a> didn't mean profit in the for-/non- sense, meant it in the capitalist sense. (Cont'd)</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna/status/6899543303" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:27:16" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://ubertwitter.com" rel="nofollow">UberTwitter</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899301063">in reply to agolis</a> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-randomdeanna" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/546419887/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="Deanna Zandt"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="Deanna Zandt" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna">randomdeanna</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/agolis" >@agolis</a> Meaning, we have to not just be thinking of funding models but production as well. Analogies to art production might be more useful</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna/status/6899565248" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:28:02" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://ubertwitter.com" rel="nofollow">UberTwitter</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899301063">in reply to agolis</a> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-agolis" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/agolis"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/469077314/open_mouth_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="agolis"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="agolis" href="http://twitter.com/agolis">agolis</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna" >@randomdeanna</a> ah, totally interesting.  Would love to read your full thoughts on that. Have a post I can read/link to?</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899756082" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:34:41" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://twitterrific.com" rel="nofollow">Twitterrific</a></span> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-randomdeanna" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/546419887/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="Deanna Zandt"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="Deanna Zandt" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna">randomdeanna</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/agolis" >@agolis</a> Can write something up later tonight-- just been having that convo recently. Thinking news + art producers are in similar spot</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna/status/6899830795" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:37:22" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://ubertwitter.com" rel="nofollow">UberTwitter</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899756082">in reply to agolis</a> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> <li class="hentry status u-agolis" style="clear:both;list-style:none;padding-top:.7em;padding-bottom:.7em;border-top:1px dashed #ccc;position:relative;background-color:#fff;"> <div class="thumb vcard author" style="float:left;margin-right:1em;margin-left:.5em;"> <a class="url" href="http://twitter.com/agolis"><img width="48" height="48" style="border:none;" src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/469077314/open_mouth_normal.jpg" class="photo fn" alt="agolis"/></a> </div> <div class="status-body" style="margin-right:30px;padding-right:1em;"> <a class="author" style="font-weight:bold;" title="agolis" href="http://twitter.com/agolis">agolis</a> <span class="entry-content" style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://twitter.com/randomdeanna" >@randomdeanna</a> scary thought. The art world isn't exactly the land of stable incomes...</span> <span class="meta entry-meta" style="color:#888;font-family:georgia;font-size:0.8em;font-style:italic;"> <a rel="bookmark" class="entry-date" style="color:#888;text-decoration:none;" href="http://twitter.com/agolis/status/6899912490" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline';" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none';"> <span title="2009-12-21 17:40:17" class="published">21 Dec 2009</span> </a> <span>from <a href="http://twitterrific.com" rel="nofollow">Twitterrific</a></span> </span> </div> <div class="actions" style="position:relative;clear:both;"></div> </li> </ol> </blockquote><small class="quoteurl-cite" style="float:right;"> -- <a href="http://www.quoteurl.com/0dwlw">this quote</a> was brought to you by <a href="http://www.quoteurl.com">quoteurl</a></small> <br class="quoteurl-end" style="clear:both;" /> <!-- QuoteURL embed end -->

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